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fishnpole · Veteran Member

DNR meets with GLIFWC to iron out next 5-year plan for Mille Lacs

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Report from MM:

1. I did reach Governor Dayton's - the Outreach Progam office today.

2. I was allowed to provide a very strong yet professional message for Governor Dayton to support the DNR efforts to end tribal netting and to honor his election pledge:

I believe that all hunting and fishing in Minnesota should be done under the same rules".

3. I also cited the Steve Fellegy and C.A.S.S.T case and information site to the Governor's office staff.

We must work all channels in this issue.

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-- Edited by MCallies on Tuesday 24th of July 2012 11:23:15 AM

-- Edited by MCallies on Wednesday 25th of July 2012 11:58:34 AM

Steve Fellegy · Veteran Member

http://www.messagemedia.co/millelacs/opinion/blogs/article_0d70f3d0-d29e-11e1-8613-0019bb30f31a.html

Muskymadness · Veteran Member

We can only hope they come up with something, but I'm not holding my breathe.

Thanks for the information guys.

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Thanks Jon and Thanks Steve.

I am attmepting to call the Governor. I try to remain hopeful.

Malmo Mike

huntinfishinmn · Member

Pretty sad that they meet behind closed doors, no wonder all the skepticism. I will be making some phone calls as well, i might even have to get back out to Game Fair this year and see if Mr Dayton is around.

Bobber · Admin / Moderator

Steve Fellegy wrote:
http://www.messagemedia.co/millelacs/opinion/blogs/article_0d70f3d0-d29e-11e1-8613-0019bb30f31a.html
Thanks for posting this Steve........what a joke!
"closed doors" no media allowed
Soon...very soon we will hope to have changes made

fishnpole · Veteran Member

State Rep. Denny McNamara the Minnesota Representative and Chair of the Committee on Environment, Energy
and Natural Resources Policy and Finance wrote to excuse himself from this meeting......... confuse

Denny McNamara rep.denny.mcnamara@house.mn

11:11 AM (1 hour ago)

to me, sen.bill.ingeb.
Bob, Thx for your email. I have let the DNR know I will not be able to attend today's meeting, Denny

Representative Denny McNamara
Dist.57B
Chair of the Committee on Environment, Energy
and Natural Resources Policy and Finance
375 State Office Building
100 Rev.Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
St. Paul, Mn. 55155-1298
Phone (651) 296-3135

If you would like to receive my periodic email updates go to http://www.house.mn/57B and click on "Email Updates."

-- Edited by fishnpole on Thursday 26th of July 2012 12:31:05 PM

fishnpole · Veteran Member

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fishnpole · Veteran Member

This is the e-mail State Representative Denny McNamara Chair of the Committee on Environment, Energy
and Natural Resources Policy and Finance sent excusing himself from the meeting ...............decisions that will affect the welfare of the lake for the next five years

Denny McNamara rep.denny.mcnamara@house.mn

11:11 AM (1 hour ago)

to me, sen.bill.ingeb.
Bob, Thx for your email. I have let the DNR know I will not be able to attend today's meeting, Denny

Representative Denny McNamara
Dist.57B
Chair of the Committee on Environment, Energy
and Natural Resources Policy and Finance
375 State Office Building
100 Rev.Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
St. Paul, Mn. 55155-1298
Phone (651) 296-3135

If you would like to receive my periodic email updates go to http://www.house.mn/57B and click on "Email Updates."

wallyhntr1 · Member

Here are the two 'leaders' attending todays meetings- Let them know we are watching..

sen.bill.ingebrigtsen@senate.mn

rep.denny.mcnamara@house.mn

wallyhntr1 · Member

Infuriating!! I guess this guys 12pm tee time was more important, of which I wouldnt be surprised to hear was funded with Tribal contributions... The position this guy holds, the importance this issue has to millions of minnesotans & this guy is " unable" to attend???

"Mike, I have let the DNR know I am unable to attend today's mtg, Denny"

Representative Denny McNamara
Dist.57B
Chair of the Committee on Environment, Energy
and Natural Resources Policy and Finance
375 State Office Building
100 Rev.Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
St. Paul, Mn. 55155-1298
Phone (651) 296-3135

Rickster · Member

Here is a quote from the Star Tribune article yesterday about the DNR's request regarding the harvest of males, etc...

"Neither GLIFWC nor any of the eight Chippewa bands that net Mille Lacs during the spring spawn has responded."

Does the MN DNR actually think they have a say in this mess!!! I'm surprised the GLIFWC even let's the DNR come to the meetings..... What a joke.

Muskymadness · Veteran Member

Unbelievable. A complete joke!

huntinfishinmn · Member

I just sent them both an email asking how things turned out. Any bets out there on whether I will even get a response. I highly doubt I will get one.

fishnpole · Veteran Member

Snow just got a phone call from the guy..........

Well folks,

I just got a call from Denny,apparently wel got "Bombed" with emails and has been accussed of taking indian money and would like phone #'s via mail or call him,it seems I was the only one that gave him a # so I got an earful,he could'nt give me any answers as to why he could'nt attend or who was attending on our behalf,but appently he got well over 100 emails just today,most emails accused him of being on the take.

I short,he is willing to talk to any and evryone concerned.

(except the guys with GLIFWC and the DNR about the netting, apparently.)

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

This is looking like a bigger mess than we even thought was possible???!!

Please post an news articles if they are released.

Thanks, MM.

wallyhntr1 · Member

Happy to have 'unearthed' this P.O.S.! Anyone, in the position he holds, working for the Millions, decides to not attend something so important to us, deserves everything we throw at him!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for taking the earful, snow.... The emails sent back n forth, with this DB, had my name & number, this DB never called....

I do not care what he says now, he blew off priority one, being in the position he holds...

wallyhntr1 · Member

Well, that was one of the more disturbing phones calls I've made in a while...

With him screaming at me/very, very close to the point of theatening me ( some may take being told " you do NOT want to Alienate me", as a threat) talking over every word I said- his complete focus/blame is it being " our " fault, for not contacting him, telling him we wanted him to attend that meeting... & by the way, he did not appoint anyone to attend in his absence, as he did 6 months ago.
WOW, is all I can say after attempting to talk to this guy, unreal!

Talked to Denny again, apparently he is reading this. Told him I would look into something I posted & would correct it if I were wrong-

Denny- You are correct. My name was at the bottom of the email I sent you, but, it did not include my phone number.

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Does anyone have information or a credible report on the outcome of:

- the July 26, 2012, meeting between the Minnesota DNR officials

- and the tribal representation of GLIFWC?

If so thanks, MM 

fishnpole · Veteran Member

Hell, MM. We don't even know if there WAS a meeting, now, do we? Maybe it's the tail waggin' the dog again. Things aren't always what they seem with these sneaky types.

beast · Member

I would agree with you fishnpole, cant believe any of them, its all about whos stuffing the others pockets with money, no one is concerned about the natural resources!

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Pretty damn sad isn't Fishnpole? What a bunch of balogna...

This could cause me to drink.

Sasquatch better watch out.

See you soon...I am home 09-12-12 for a good time at the lake.

Glen Ertl · Gray Goose Captain

Sasquatch was snooping around looking for MM.....

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Glen, did you hide the Lucky Charms, I reckon? Sasquatch will find 'em ya know?

haha. I owe ya a cold one or two....see you at Mille Lacs hopefully.

9-11 thru 9-16-12 for agood time. We will be at Red Door cafe a bunch having walleye filets.

MM was here under stealth cover...

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Friends and Fishermen of Mille Lacs:

Today, I wrote the DNR an email as a property owner about the scheduled July 26th meeting among: the MN DNR, GLIFWC, and the Mille Lacs Band to decide the fate of Mille Lacs Lake.

I copied State Representative Carolyn McElfatrick as well.

Supposedly, The five year plan for allowable safe harvest was to be set.

The questions asked were:

1. Did this meeting occur as planned?

2. What was the outcome of the meeting please with regard to continued tribal netting?

3.Was a five year ‘harvest plan’ determined?

We will see if I get a response. Thanks, MM

fishnpole · Veteran Member

What's going on with all this secrecy surrounding these "meetings"? They're almost like they're afraid to let the general public know what they're doing. That makes me REALLY wonder what they're doin............... evileye

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Here is Today's DNR Reply from Don Pereira; it does NOT provide any information about a decision or outcome from the meeting:

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Mr. Callies,

Here is the reply to your questions:

1. Yes the meeting did occur, following our regular protocol for the annual summer meeting.

2. The State and the Bands discussed what may be emerging concerns for the walleye fishery of Mille Lacs. We will be conducting work to evaluate advances in stock assessment modeling and how these advances can be incorporated into better management strategies in the future.

3. A lot of additional work needs to be completed by the State and the Bands before we know how this new information will affect regulations and future management plans.

Sincerely,

Don Pereira, Fisheries Research Manager

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Don Pereira

Fisheries Research & Policy Manager

Minnesota DNR, Div. of Fish & Wildlife

500 Lafayette Road, Box 20

St. Paul, MN 55155-4020

(651) 259-5231

(651) 297-4916 fax

(612) 390- 8379 cell

don.pereira@state.mn.us

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wallyhntr1 · Member

Send an email/call this guy- he is the one who decided to not attend the July 26th meeting..

rep.denny.mcnamara@house.mn

jbob · Member

Denny McNamara if you are reading these post please respond with your take on what is going on. Yes i will sign my name to this since you know me and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

Jim Peters from Hastings

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

Jim, I sent you a PM with email communications from today. Thanks, Malmo Mike MM

fishnpole · Veteran Member

It's amazing to see how disconnected and ho-hum these guys are, these officials that hold the fate of OUR lake in their pen-writing hands.

MODELLING? Just what the heck IS that????????????

wallyhntr1 · Member

"We will be conducting work to evaluate advances in stock assessment modeling"

Either it's a better way of assessing what is in the lake, or, they are looking into stocking Mille Lacs?

fishnpole · Veteran Member

I'm afraid that's EXACTLY what that means...........

Because the netting and mismanagement of the finest natural fishery in the world, the DNR would rather taint the pure bloodline of the Mille Lacs walleye with stocking fish that Minnesotans pay for, than stopping the gillnets!

THAT'S NOT CONSERVATION.

THAT'S DUMB!

Steve Fellegy · Veteran Member

http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/164523126.html

Muskymadness · Veteran Member

So if I read that correctly, they want to allow the indians to take more!!!????

Seriously, bigger nets? How about no nets, especially during the spawn!

fishnpole · Veteran Member

It takes 'em three months to prove the netting is hurting the lake? Where the hell have THEY been..........

Here's how it goes..... Big fish make little fish. If they aren't allowed to do that uninterupted, there won't BE any little fish!

Each female has an average of 80,000 eggs at spawning time. If the netters get 142,000, at an average of two pounds, with the current nets they have, would be 71,000 fish. Because of the mesh size, 2/3 of the 71,000 are males. That is 23,667 females that are killed in the gillnets BEFORE they can spawn. (or 1,893,333,333 eggs that end up on the tribal cutting boards)

THAT'S TOO MANY.

It don't take no 3 months to figure THAT out!

beast · Member

since we take in account the amount of fish that die from hook immortality, when they net pre spawn they should be held accountable for all the eggs!

tat2jonnie · Senior Member

Here's the article from the latest Outdoor News:

http://www.outdoornews.com/July-2012/Minnesota-to-make-first-pitch-for-Mille-Lacs-changes/

MCallies · Malmo Bay Bomber

tat2jonnie wrote:
Here's the article from the latest Outdoor News:
http://www.outdoornews.com/July-2012/Minnesota-to-make-first-pitch-for-Mille-Lacs-changes/

Hello Jon and Mille Lacs Fisherman & Friends:

Good article, Jon. smile biggrin

I sent this articale along to Minnesota State Representatives: Denny McNamara and Sondra Erickson today;

This was to thank Sondra and encourage them to keep working on the critical DNR meetings for our lake community. Thanks, Malmo Mike MM

There may be some hope here... confuse wink smile

-- Edited by MCallies on Monday 6th of August 2012 11:38:25 AM

Muskymadness · Veteran Member

Good information Jon. Thanks for posting that.

tat2jonnie · Senior Member

What's the big secret????

Why don't you want the public to know what's being discussed???????????

Is it illegal? Are there violations of the treaty going on?

DNR, you've got to come clean............................

"The Minnesota Department 0f Natural Resources Data Practices Compliance Officer" would be a good place to start.

( I don't know about you, but it's really scary to me to even think that we would even NEED a "data practices division", much less have a "compliance officer" to run the damn thing..................... confuse )

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE?

-- Edited by tat2jonnie on Tuesday 7th of August 2012 04:07:25 AM

Steve Fellegy · Veteran Member

Like in the spring...the fox is guarding the hen house and our DNR allows it! The following is a response I just got from MN. DNR after I asked for a copy of the minutes to the July 26th meeting. Is this a joke?

"Mr. Fellegy,

In response to your Minnesota Government Data Practices Act request, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) has no data to provide.

For this particular meeting, it was the responsibility of GLIFWC to take notes and produce minutes. At this point in time, DNR has not been provided a copy of the minutes. As far as video or audio taping of the meeting, DNR is unaware of any recordings and therefore, has no data or recordings to provide.

If you have any questions regarding our legal responsibilities under the data practices, please let me know.

My Best,

Sheila Deyo
MN DNR Data Practices Compliance Officer"

Bobber · Admin / Moderator

A real joke.....and the jokes on us!

Very sad deal............when in the hell is something going to be done about this mess?

Bobber · Admin / Moderator

"MN DNR Data Practices Compliance Officer"

How about that title??

COMPLIANCE.....Officer!

Muskymadness · Veteran Member

WOW! I'd like to say unbelievable, but when it comes to these groups, is anything unbelievable?

Muskymadness · Veteran Member

Love the attachment Jon and well said! Why the secret????

fishnpole · Veteran Member

I've got the feeling that most of what is going on at these meetings wouldn't stand up to public scrutiny. That's probably why they're being so sneaky about things. The DNR is definately in bed with the tribes against us.

They don't want any of us to know how bad they're being punked.

jwalker · Member

what a joke - who is running this thing - my god get real this just gets more stupid by the day. hey take notes for us will ya! youuuu betchya.