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From the Mille Lacs Lake Messenger:

http://www.millelacsmessenger.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40089:mille-lacs-walleye-population-lower-than-expected&catid=59:outdoor-columnists&Itemid=78

Friday, 04 November 2011 09:40

A recent assessment of Lake Mille Lacs identified a smaller than anticipated walleye population, according to the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR).

Based on recent netting assessments, the lake’s walleye index dropped from 10.8 fish per net (22.9 pounds per net) in 2010 to 9.7 fish per net (16 pounds per net) in 2011. This represents the second lowest walleye abundance measured since the DNR large lake monitoring program began in 1983.

The long-term trend of walleye population assessments on Mille Lacs since the mid-1980s has been declining overall, but the trend for female walleyes has been stable. This may reflect the fact that the walleye harvest strategies employed by both the state and the Chippewa Bands are more selective for smaller, male walleyes.

The implications of the decline in males to the overall fishery are not clear. Fisheries biologists are evaluating the new data to better understand those implications and how they might influence future management options.

The new fish population information comes at a time when walleye fishing is good at Mille Lacs. DNR Fisheries managers believe good fishing may continue this winter and spring, even in the face of a decreasing walleye population. This may be due to relatively low numbers of young-of-the-year perch, the primary food sources for young walleye. The perch are also small in size, according to the new assessment data.

Fisheries managers understand that a smaller perch population typically results in hungry walleyes, especially of the sizes anglers prefer to keep. Looking to 2012, a resulting high harvest would be a concern if it is projected to reach or exceed the state’s allocation, which will be set in February in cooperation with Chippewa Band managers.

Northern pike abundance also went down, according to the recent assessment. This was expected given a regulation change in 2011. The former regulation was a 24- to 36-inch protected slot that allowed the keeping of one northern pike longer than 36 inches. In 2011, a new regulation protected northern from 27- to 40-inches and allowed the taking of one fish longer than 40 inches.

Tullibee (cisco) abundance also dropped in 2011 from relatively high abundance levels in 2009 (34 fish per net) and 2010 (11 fish per net) to catches of less than two per net in 2011. The relatively warm late summer may have resulted in higher than usual mortality for this cold-water species.

Smallmouth bass have been increasing in abundance for many years, and although not at an all-time high as observed in 2009 (1.9 fish per net), they were above average in abundance at 1.1 fish per net.

Prior to setting the 2012 regulations, DNR managers will meet with the Mille Lacs Fisheries Input Group, an advisory group of anglers and local business interests, to discuss the status of the lake’s fish populations.

 

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Posted by Malmo Mike

 



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no I cant believe I take the time to read these assesments anymore.



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The Minnesota DNR biologists have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that D is a passing grade..........evileye

Of course their nets, (which were less this year) didn't get as many fish per net. The lake was higher this year than normal, so the walleyes weren't in their normal lower water feeding areas, which was where they set their nets. Then, they took their samples after heavy winds, which as every walleye fisherman knows, scatters the fish.

If they actually fished the lake every day like us fishermen, they'd see a very healthy, growing walleye population, instead of gleening all their information from heresay (creel checkers that are being lied to) and ineffective sampling.

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Just wondering, has anyone else noticed the number of over 28's that came out of the lake this year? Watching tournament results and weighins this year it seemed there were more fish over 28 brought to the scales this year than in years past, also the amount of small fish caught, some not much bigger than the Husky Jerk or Shad Rap (often wondered what they were going to do with it when they caught it). Wonder if it has anything to do with the late ice out and the nets not getting close enough to shore for the big females? Just curious

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Thanks Jon, my friend,

Your insight makes perfect sense of course.nod.gifnod.gifnod.gif

I had good summer fishing myself and my nephew caught a beautiful 29+ inch walleye this year; I had a big one last year with limited fishing time on the beautiful lake.

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Jon and Nate and Bobber would be the best sources to comment on the number of large 28 inch+ walleyes seen angling.

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I was thrilled to catch a couple of good limits after a very slow Opener for me personally. After the Opneing weekend I had pretty good fishing and good luck in my usual fishing areas. Of course, for me just being on the lake in my ALumacraft ELite is fantastic. Plus I can chase Captain Jon or Nate aorund a bit to see what's up...HA!

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S o u r saying the natives arent hurting the lake lifes good



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I'm saying the opposite. The lake is thriving a little bit again because the last 2 years we've had late ice (which kept the netting totals down) and the year before we had an early hatch.

That made a difference of millions of walleyes being spawned that are in the lake



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My persoal biggest on the lake this year was 29 1/2" We did get more over 28s this year than probably the last couple combined.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X25hSUziccU



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"The Minnesota DNR biologists have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that D is a passing grade..........evileye

Of course their nets, (which were less this year) didn't get as many fish per net. The lake was higher this year than normal, so the walleyes weren't in their normal lower water feeding areas, which was where they set their nets. Then, they took their samples after heavy winds, which as every walleye fisherman knows, scatters the fish.

If they actually fished the lake every day like us fishermen, they'd see a very healthy, growing walleye population, instead of gleening all their information from heresay (creel checkers that are being lied to) and ineffective sampling.

Ya just can't cure stupid!"

 

Jon, What do you really think? I wish you'd come out of your shell! biggrinbiggrin



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For over the past 20 years....this lake has taken a big hit during the spring spawn. Thousands and thousands of walleyes are caught in gill nets....more fish netted in just few short weeks compared to a full season of open and iced over water.

Yes, I have seen more over 28 inch fish caught this past year, but than again our tullibee population is on a rebound!

Folks........just think for one short minute what this lake would be like IF We DID NOT HAVE ANY NETTING?

Probably some unbelievable fishing! resorts booming with business! the list would go on....

 

support CASST it might be OUR only chance!



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LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR:

We all hate and decry the netting! nod.gifnod.gifnod.gif

Just think how tremendous the lake would be for angling -- if it were not for the hetting. We must support Steve and the CASST effort. As Bobber has nboted: It may be the last chance to do so.

This season, due to some skill and some luck and the tremendous fishery of Mille Lacs Lake -- I still caught a few hard earned fish. I love this lake.

We MUST STOP the Netting and STOP the spawning rape of the lake.

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Thanks, Malmo Mike



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Yep, Jim and Mike, I think you're right. I DO need to come out of my shell and do something about the stupidity of our DNR and their F##KED UP TREATY with this band of newcomers that think they're above the law.

For any of you that aren't up to speed on this thing, let me recap.

We stole the land here in Minnesota from the Chippewa (Ojibwe, or whatever they're calling themselves this week), who stole the land from the Lakotas (Souix) and rather than killing all of them, we gave them the opportunity to surrender.

Here is the agreement we came up with to get them to lay down their bows:

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/Vol2/treaties/chi0648.htm

http://www.cnie.org/NAE/docs/chippewa.html#sta

So, as a result, they think they can rape our lake during spawning season.

It's their way of sticking it to the "white eyes".

 

The Mille Lacs Band of Chippewa don't know how to net, so they got their cousins from Wisconsin to come over to Minnesota and help screw up the lake.

They lost 17 nets last year in the ice. As far as their "quota" went, they didn't do so good.

Year before either.

Year before that, the walleyes had already spawned by the time they could get their nets out.

So, as a result, we have a thriving three year population in the lake. I'm sure they're trying to figure out how to screw that up, like they did on Leech and Red, but so far, we haven't let them.

That's pretty much where we sit right now.

Oh, yeah, and our rocket scientist DNR, keeps tripping over themselves to bend over and grab the soap in front of 'em.

( My therapist (Nate) thinks I need to express my feelings more.)

 



-- Edited by tat2jonnie on Sunday 13th of November 2011 09:39:04 AM



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I also agree that the DNR data is incorrect.

I have a better idea.  How about we all agree that the DNR is correct and therefore the netting should be stopped or the netting quotas should be significantly decreased?confuse



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Bobber wrote:

Folks........just think for one short minute what this lake would be like IF We DID NOT HAVE ANY NETTING?

Probably some unbelievable fishing! resorts booming with business! the list would go on....

 

support CASST it might be OUR only chance!


 This is EXACTLY the way I see it Bob- AMEN. IF we had no nets in this lake during the spawn. Imagine the possibilities. I bet the slot would be more open for one and all. Bring more people, more business, more positives to the lake...

Here is a Link to a report from Joe Fellegy- A man that knows this lake and its history more then most anyone alive IMO.

http://outdoornews.com/minnesota/news/article_f10bbed2-0ecb-11e1-8f37-001cc4c002e0.html

 



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Ya know, the Natives have a green card.

(not the kind that entitles you to work in this country, Nate.)imslow.gif

But it does entitle them to keep every fish they catch.

 Remember when you could keep a 24 inch walleye???????????

Trbal members can fish ANGLING all year long.

Guess which quota these fish go on?

 

BINGO......................

WHAT THE ?????????



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The Minnesota DNR biologists have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that D is a passing grade..........evileye

Of course their nets, (which were less this year) didn't get as many fish per net. The lake was higher this year than normal, so the walleyes weren't in their normal lower water feeding areas, which was where they set their nets. Then, they took their samples after heavy winds, which as every walleye fisherman knows, scatters the fish.

If they actually fished the lake every day like us fishermen, they'd see a very healthy, growing walleye population, instead of gleening all their information from heresay (creel checkers that are being lied to) and ineffective sampling.

Ya just can't cure stupid!

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I, respectfully, disagree with the above analogy.

I firmly believe that the latest survey stats show reality and have been now for the past few years...

The good fishing etc. that gets talked about now does not reflect more fish in the lake. No different than bad fishing reflects a poor fish population.

A few inches more water in the lake or a degree warmer or colder water, or big winds don't change the lives/locations of the walleyes as many think. Thus--the nets, over a period of years, do show, for the most part, reality. (I'd be glad to show proof of this, to anyone who disagrees, on the water next year, in any scenario you wish to challenge my opinion on--feel free to call.)

That said, I'm not saying I agree with all DNR moves, rules, fishery management etc. But on this one(the pop. stats)--I see zero legitimate reason to dispute them. In fact, I see on the water proof that creates reason to believe them. 

That's all I'll say here as I have no time to go on and on but will gladly take calls when I have time to discuss this further--or anything else, relative, for that matter.

Good, healthy discussion for all to take part in! Thanks...

 


 



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Summer fishing still seems to be OK on the lake but electronics,GPS,knowledge and fishing tactics have helped out with that. Winter tells a different story. You used to be able to catch quite a few fish in a permanant house out there without to much effort. Now it seems you better take advantage of the low light periods to get some action. Years ago we had better action in the winter and you didnt have to run and gun like you do now. This lake would be a lot better if it werent for the netting. Another thing that puts a lot of pressure on the lake at times is loose lips and bragging on the internet. Ive seen it fill up parking lots and a lot of fish get taken when the fishing is easy and almost jumping in the boat.



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2050Skeeter wrote:

Summer fishing still seems to be OK on the lake but electronics,GPS,knowledge and fishing tactics have helped out with that. Winter tells a different story. You used to be able to catch quite a few fish in a permanant house out there without to much effort. Now it seems you better take advantage of the low light periods to get some action. Years ago we had better action in the winter and you didnt have to run and gun like you do now. This lake would be a lot better if it werent for the netting. Another thing that puts a lot of pressure on the lake at times is loose lips and bragging on the internet. Ive seen it fill up parking lots and a lot of fish get taken when the fishing is easy and almost jumping in the boat.


 

VERY good points you bring up. The winter example you use is very interesting and I would agree realistic. I have not ice fished the pond too much in years past. But to be good now days, you have to move move move... Years past - did a person have to do that so much to catch a meal? The summer thing- who can't catch fish now? Internet, Lake Chips, Big Boats, Big Motors, better and new presentations, Better sonars, GPS... The list goes on.

Is the lake better now then 20 years ago? Or are "we" better at catching what is in the lake now?

I think I know my answer. disbelief



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In the first place, Steve, 15 inches of runoff into the lake is more than "a few inches".

In the second place, 6 foot rollers in an area that's only 10 feet deep is going to move the fish into deeper water. GUARRANTEED. (What did you think the fish are doing? Holding onto rocks?) The shallow water is the only place they can set their nets and that gets churned into a froth with some of the wind we had JUST before they set the nets. 

In the third place, the 2011 results won't even be made public until June of 2012. It takes them that long to process the multitude of information from all the sources they have. (see links)

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/lakefind/surveys.html

 

 http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/lakefind/showreport_printable.html?downum=48000200&printable=true 

So, respectfully, my friend, I think you are wrong on this one.

Your challenge has been accepted.

( It should prove interesting, cuz between us, we have over 100 years of fishing this lake.)



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Just for the record, the survery nets are placed on ALL forms of structure, both deep and shallow, and also in a few places miles from any structure.  Rock reefs, mudflats, basin areas and shoreline breaks are ALL covered around the lake by survey nets. For example, the nets set along shorelines, are set to cover both the top and deep side of drop-offs. It's common for a net to range, at the same time, from 6 to 16ft. (the nets are around 200ft. long I believe) So, wind and big waves, if that is being used as reasoning to skew the results, shouldn't be a concern. Afterall, ALL net locations/catch rates are averaged out in the end, to show total results, and then compared to previous years catch rates in the same locations /depths.

Why big waves would effect the fish negatively in the fall during the netting surveys only and not during the rest of the year is beyond me. We consistently catch walleyes in big numbers in less than 5 ft. of water in July, August and September when the wind and waves are howling. Often times in 3ft.! Daytime! Many  Lake Mille Lacs tournaments over the years have been won in less than 5ft. of water in 30-40 mph. wind and big waves.

Just to point a few facts....



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Missed my point, Steve. (And I know how good a tournament guy you are, so you are probably one of those that won in five feet of water.)

The walleyes are sampled by gill nets

Gill net: This is the main piece of equipment used for sampling walleye, northern pike, yellow perch, cisco, whitefish, trout, and salmon. The standard gill net is 6 feet tall by 250 feet long, with 5 different mesh sizes. Gill nets are generally set in off shore areas in water deeper than 9 feet. Nets are fished for a period of 24 hours. Fish are captured by swimming into the net and becoming entangled. Fisheries workers record length and weight data from each fish, determine the sex, look for parasites or disease, and remove several of the fishes scales for determining the fishes age. Most of the fish taken in gill nets are killed, but only a small portion of the lakes fish population is sampled during an individual survey event. The number of gill nets set during a survey is dependant on the lake acreage.

 

This graph was from the latest released survey

Species

Gear Used

Number of fish per net

Average Fish Weight (lbs)

Normal Range (lbs)

Caught

Normal Range

Black CrappieGill net0.130.1 - 0.70.360.2 - 0.5
MuskellungeGill net0.020.0 - 0.115.883.3 - 8.0
Northern PikeGill net1.400.9 - 4.35.952.4 - 4.3
Rock BassGill net0.400.1 - 1.10.550.3 - 0.6
Smallmouth BassGill net0.190.0 - 0.21.700.8 - 1.5
Tullibee (cisco)Gill net17.404.9 - 17.60.550.4 - 0.5
WalleyeGill net13.673.3 - 14.82.200.9 - 1.5
White SuckerGill net0.330.8 - 2.41.971.6 - 2.1
Yellow PerchGill net53.409.9 - 57.10.260.2 - 0.3
Normal Ranges represent typical catches for lakes with similar physical and chemical characteristics.

 

Creel Survey Fishing effort for the2009-2010 winter season was 1.8 million angler-hours (ang-hrs), about 5% above average. Open water 2010 fishing effort was 1.3 million ang-hrs, about 12% below average. Pressure during the open water season was low in the first half of June and the first half of July, but close to average for the rest of the season.

Walleye fishing was better in 2010 than in 2009 or 2008. Harvest was 226,000 lbs and total kill was 271,000 lb, approximately twice the angler walleye kill of 2009. Anglers released another 625,000 lb of walleye. Most of the harvested walleye were age 3 and age 4.

 

These are some more stats they need to wade through to get their determination by what they have from creel checks....confuseconfuseconfuseconfuse

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/areas/fisheries/aitkin/mille-lacs-creel.pdf



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Here's one for ya.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/134722588.html



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Or here's one from today, that some people would like to know..........

http://brainerddispatch.com/outdoors/2011-11-11/good-news-bad-news



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This thread was started by the DNR statement that the male walleye population was down. The current slot targets the smaller males.

MAYBE CHANGE THE SLOT, GENIUSES!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKfhuDBLyr0



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http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/02/17/possible-walleye-limit-garrison/

"The DNR is expected to set walleye fishing limits on Lake Mille Lacs by the end of March. It's not clear whether the DNR will ask the Indian bands for any leniency. "

Ask the Bands for LENIENCY??? Come ON!  Whats wrong with this picturefurious



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They compared data with Indian bands that "fish" the lake.  I guess I never considered their style "fishing."

The bigger question, What did the band(s) do with all the fish they took back to Wisconsin?  If the freezer is still full maybe they should excercise some "leniency."

 



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http://www.millelacsmessenger.com/opinion/columns/item/2181-editor

 

 An interesting History Lesson from the Man that knows this topic better then anyone!



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Below is from a Native pot stirrer, he chirped again today... Fact is, this could be in place this year~


"Two fish for you. That is plenty. Must be between 14.0 and 14.5."






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seems to be damn near impossible to get things fixed from the outside in.... maybe we need to try it from the inside out and get a true canidate inside the walls. But once again that takes money. unfortunately this state is filled with bleeding heart liberals that that feel bad for every bug squished, every sex offender jailed and every minority that wouldn't work to save their own ass.

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Slot ain't workin'.



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And the follow up from the Messenger. Glad to say I no longer subscribe. How they can say they are not one sided on this? This is what seperates us two groups. One group that accepts this and one group that does not. Those that do not accept this nonsense are not living in the past but looking out for the future... This nonsense WILL end.

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This Brett Larson clown can bend over & accept what I wish to shove... People playing the poor pity me roll, and the bleeders who fall into it, are as worthless as Gill Nets...



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Steves latest-

Brett Larson, speaking from his editors position at the Mille Lacs Messenger, has sent the locals and Lake Mille Lacs walleyes a telling message.

The Mille Lacs Messenger editor says it's about "facing the facts and moving on".

In other words......sit back, shut up and accept the fact that gill-nets in the lake during the spawn are just fine. Sit back, shut up and accept poor resource management. Sit back, shut up and accept exclusive walleye harvest rights for some of the local citizens but not for most. In other words....the Messenger sends the message saying who cares about the local economy, the resorts, and especially the walleye population. After all, fishery management based on politics is better than any biology history , right? So "accept" it!!

I suggest local advertisers and subscribers send the Messenger, on behalf of the walleyes in the lake, a message back. In other words....no more $$ support from us!




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I haven't purchased that publication for at least 5 years now.... its almost as bad as watching msnbc. Its a shame too, could be a great piece of inside knowledge if they would stick to just the facts and let readers decide.

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Brett is on the casino payroll, nothing more than a puppet being bought... That messenger site wont allow me to register, want very badly to give that worthless piece of garbage a piece of my mind...

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Poor journalism, there Brett.

No wonder the Messenger is going down the toilet.



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Tens of thousands of walleyes was found in the gill nets ... just a few short weeks in the arrest of more fish compared to the open and frozen water over the entire season.

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