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With the latest developments, it's becoming a probability that there are going to be some lost gillnets this year. How many remains to be seen.

What happens when you hook one or get one on your prop?

Don't just throw it away! Photos are important. Save the net. Report it to the DNR C.O. in your area. Get as much info (name of officer, time and date reported, etc.) and take videos if possible.

All their nets are registered (or should be.)

Changes made for tribal netting are effective immediately by a Tribal Department of Natural Resources commissioner’s order in an effort to prevent mishaps during the current netting season and in the future.

“There has been a lot of talk about how we can do things better,” Mille Lacs Band DNR Commissioner Curt Kalk said. “If we have all tribes doing the same thing, it gives a lot more accountability.”

Kalk said the most significant changes are regarding the permit and net requirements.

tribal_netting_kulk_curt_with_bouys_full_copyEach net will have two numbered tags attached — one at the top and one at the opposite side on the bottom.

“When nets tear, they normally tear horizontally,” Kalk said. “Having the tags on opposite ends, top and bottom, will provide better accountability.”

The tags are numbered and permanently attached to the net. Each tag number is assigned to the permittee of the net for the day the permit is pulled. Permits are required for every net. The net ID tag number must match the net ID number identified on the permit.

New permits are required daily. For Mille Lacs Band members, permits must be issued by 11 a.m. for the net to be set that night. Most nets are  set at sunset. If a permittee pulls a permit, but for whatever reason does not actually set the net, he or she must contact a game warden immediately.

“This way, we won’t have employees waiting to creel that net the next day and the permittee must take full responsibility,” Kalk said.

If a permittee does not comply with the notification regulation, the permittee will be reprimanded, “grounded” or restricted, from netting for three days. If it happens again, the permittee may not be allowed to net the remainder of the season.

Other changes to the nets themselves include a requirement for a 10-pound weight, or anchor, to be affixed to the bottom of each corner of the net.

Buoy lines are required to have at least 6 feet of slack on the surface so the buoys or floats will remain on the surface and visible if the net moves. Six-feet of line is required under the surface as well.

“We are trying preventative measures,” Kalk said. “In theory, this will create less drag, less movement and the net will lay down if ice moves across it.”

The permittee is required to monitor ice and wind conditions and pull their nets immediately if warranted or contacted by the game warden. If the permittee does not stay close to the net during the set, a phone number or contact must be provided in case it is needed.

Game wardens, either Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission or tribal conservation officers, will be monitoring sets this year. “Not every set will be watched, but people should be aware the possibility exists that an officer is watching,” Kalk said.

Every net will be creeled, even if the net comes up empty. “Every permittee must produce a net,” Kalk said. “They must recover all nets or all parts of nets if nets are torn.”

By commissioner’s order every net must comply with tribal regulations regarding aquatic invasive species. The tribal regulations require that nets, lines and anchor ropes are bleached before they are set and when they are done. If the net is going to a different lake, the net, lines and anchor ropes must dry for a minimum of 10 days, or be frozen for a minimum of two days before going into a noninfested lake.

All tribes have agreed to abide by the new regulations enforceable by law, Kalk said. GLIFWC wardens will be on site all around the lake, and each tribe is allowed to bring their own DNR conservation officers, and they all do, Kalk said.


Gillnet restrictions

•    Net ID tag number on net set by permittee must match the net ID tag number on the permit.

•    Nets must be set with weights or anchors that weigh at least 10 pounds.

•    Buoy lines must have at least 6 feet of slack so that buoys or floats will remain on the surface and visible if net moves.

•    Permittee must monitor ice and wind conditions and pull nets when warranted or if contacted by warden.

•    Permittee must notify warden immediately if any net or part of net is missing or cannot be fully recovered.

•    Permittee must look for and recover any net or part of net that is missing.

•    Permittee must notify warden or creel team if net was not set, or if net was set but no fish were caught.

•    Permittee must comply with applicable tribal regulations that protect against the spread of aquatic invasive species

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Thanks John.  These sound like some good regulations.  Hopefully they are followed and are  not just a bunch of hot air.



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If I find any lost nets this year, I will call the DNR boys pronto. Thanks Jon.

Ditto on Muskymadness.



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Just got back from checking the lake from Red Door to the other side of Garrison, covering the entire North and West end. Took some pics.

No netting up this way with the ice pressed agains the shore in most places.

This is a picture of a net from 2008 that Steve Fellegy provided:

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Nice work Jon, smilesmilebiggrin

Thanks for the current pictures. We have more open water along Malmo Bay shoreline but the ice is moving and shifting of course.  So far the ice covering is helping I believe.

I expect ice out this week...my pick was 4/28/11. I am home in just 16 days. See you soon. Better get ready for some fun. HA! wink



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Be ready for a net in your prop this year. The tribes have had a tough time keeping track of their nets with all the shifting ice. I found a busted up net at Sandy Beach on the north end this morning. Who knows how many more we'll find.......



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Yes, I fully expect some lost nets in our bay area. Watch your props!

Maybe Walleye Wanda could ride in the bow and watch for them?

What a great idea...blankstarenodisbelief I have to make ajoke or I get too pissed off.

 



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Wow....lots of fish house blocking? I'm glad I spent three days in April picking up the area around the Red Door....thats too bad

Thats too bad about the lost nets too.........thanks for the pic's Jon



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Yeah, Bob.

It's too bad not all the people around the lake don't clean up after the season, ain't it? It'll all come back in for us to clean up, eventually. My guess is Red Door, Barnacles, Barneveldt's and everybody else on the north end are going to have plenty of blocking this coming year



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might work out to sell the blocking material for the fish houses, and donate the proseeds to Steve F. for the cause ( If you know what I mean), could be a new little help for Steve. Just something to think about. I know I would buy some and I get my blocking for free from work.

 

something to think about.

 



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As of this morning Monday 5-2-11 the nets that had been set on Saturday evening are STILL in the water!
I'm afraid to think of what those fish are going to be like? Lets just say....75 fish per net on average, it might be high and it could be really low for the amount of time these nets have been in. That would amount to 1500+ walleyes "wasted". Than again, there might be more than 20 nets on the point, as I have not made an effort to look other than out my patio window. Guess I've put about the same effort looking as they have in retriving them.

Just venting....
 

 



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Kalk talks a good game,sadly far from reality,as stated,just alot of hot air~

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That is why I said that.  Was afraid that was the case.  Just trying to calm the waters if you will.  Guess they figured we wouldn't  see how it is really done.

It is a sad joke and I can't believe they let it continue.

Funny how we haven't heard anything from our friends on the rez.  What can they say?  Our concerns have proven to be fact.



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Howdy Bobber, It is ditto in Malmo Bay ...

It is the same ole bull with thses netters and unattended/abandoned nets.

As far as we can tell, the gill nets set in Malmo Bay have been in the water and unattended since late Saturday night 04/30/11. It is pure bull****

Venting.

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I happen to work with an individual that has netting rights. He has mentioned he knows of 5 lost nets this year! He never did say where for a location. It's crazy the nets even go out with that much ice!

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GREED, Pure GREED!!!!



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It seems they have the attitude that"because we can, we will" ...... you can bs the fans but not the players. and they talk about teaching the young the ways of the land, wow. thanks to all who keep watch, hard for me to see from Ramsey.


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They gloat that they can do this and then they do not even respect the nets they have planted. crycrycry



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i have heard these guys going out early in the morning even before the day light so they don't get seen?

not sure how they do it but i bet they have to be getting close as these nets have been full of fish..they only have a week left don't they?

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Unfortunaely, The One Nation (Chippewa, Ojibwe or whatever they want to be called) do not recognize state boundaries. Therefore, they aren't subject to Minnesota law and are allowed to take WHAT they want WHEN they want. And our DNR are incapable of regulating any kind of behavior on their part.

SOOO........, they can continue to net all they want for however LONG they want and the only thing that can stop them from their rampage on the lake is their respecive tribal council.

They might still be out for opener! That'll be a crap shoot!!



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I had activity out front of my home all night. First it was the boat spearing fish at 10 pm. Than at 1am i heard voices and looked out and saw two boats picking nets that had been set. Nothing like ruining a good nights sleep?



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cant tell but it looks like there might be a net out front next to the rock jetty, maybe....????? cant tell.


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there is a line of nets 2,000 feet long just to the north of the break water......lets just say, they have them cut off from swiming to shore? Picard point, where I live had more nets last evening than I think any other time........30+ nets from just my windows...more around the corner!



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I don't remember them putting so many out around Hunters before that access at liberty.

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If a net isn't being monitored, can't you report it to the dnr and pull it?

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They have already killed off the areas on the west shore,actually I'm surprised they still had netts @ myr mar,thought by now those walleyes spawning days was over as hard as that area has been hit the last several years,systematically the lake is being taken down,sadly just a matter of time before we'll have another Red Lake in our life time,lets see it took the red lake tribe to fish out the red lakes in 13 years and we're in year 12 here on mille laces with 8 tribes doing the damage,actually the 6 tribes from wisconsin are doing the most damage,but what do they care they have ruined their ceded territory fishery and travel here to pilage our state resources.



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In Malmo Bay, we believe the nets that they set late Saturday night were then covered by ice  when the west winds blew some the of the last ice flow over their netting location on Sunday night.

This a a perfect example of the consequences of unattended netting by gloating netters who do not care about the lake and its well being.

This must stop if it is not too late already.   



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Sadly, I have to agree with Snow, only a matter of time.

This info came from our Aitkin DNR wing nuts- "Estimated Walleye SSB was at 3 million in the mid 90s, is at 1.7 now."
Something that pisses me off about that is- Our Aitkin buddies have every BS reason for our SSB numbers to have declined by almost half as of 2010, since the mid 90s. What our Aitkin buddies wont admit to- is that netting has an impact/has had an impact in that SSB number declining by half, during those periods.

How many brain surgeons (AKA-Aitkin DNR) does it take to figure out nets are taking the high majority of the SSB populations.. How many 'wing nuts' does it take to figure out what has happened to that lake since the mid 90s to present- NETTING!

IMHO- Each & everyone involved at the Aitkin DNR office needs to be fired on the spot.

How long that lake will sustain itself with this going on, is a guess, only a matter of time...

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I'm convinced they want the lake to die.  That would really make land values in the area take a huge nose-dive, and then they could buy up even more land dirt cheap.  They'll get that land back one way or another! no



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Hunter's Point is getting netted pretty heavily this year, it seems. They've been out front almost every day, pulling nets. They swamped a boat on Saturday out of Liberty Beach. Made me kinda happy, hearing about that.

I'm working on my best Danish fishing curse, right now!

'May the Wendigo of the lake continue to devour your nets, turn your hair blonde and swamp your canoes until you turn away from destroying the lake with your nets!!!'

(and I'm just getting warmed up!!!)



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“Last year, when I threw out my net for the first time, it was like my ancestors were right there with me,” she said. Her son tells her she must have netting in her blood, since she’s so good at picking the fish from the nets, but Johnson-Fuller gives credit to her new rug hook.


You felt no shame ???? Did your ancestors really "gill net" during the spawn ???

That would be like me going deer hunting with a hand grenade and feeling all "warm and fuzzy as I pulled my first pin" because, this is what my ancestors did..... Give me a break....nobodys buying your bullzhit....

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all of use are big babys get over it . u only complane cuz we can net and u cant well booo **censored**ing hoo  and thous walleys shear do tast good in the spring



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Hey there, " bear killer ". Glad you can chime in on our little discussion on what to do about the problem you guys are creating for us.

Find any more of your nets, yet? You might laugh at my curse, but the Wendigo is waiting for YOU, buddy. And it ain't happy....................



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Really bear-killer?  Was that english?  You missed the whole point!  This is about lost nets and what should be done.



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How do the rotted one's in the lost nets taste ??? You are not a Native American, your an idiot, no way around it. I am sure your ancestors are really proud of you..... once a proud people, now acting the fool.

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Well said Glen.  I don't know wether to laugh or get more upset @ the idiocracy of "bear killer's" post.

My guess is that "killer" doesn't have the same IQ as mnnativelady.



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to bear killer, your walleyes taste good when i am in my ice house, at least i eat what i kill,


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very well said glen!!! coundn't  of said it any better



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bear killer wrote:

all of use are big babys get over it . u only complane cuz we can net and u cant well booo **censored**ing hoo  and thous walleys shear do tast good in the spring


 nice post, sounds well put together and great foundation.  I would say by your post you are the big baby



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"Bear Killer" might beat me in a netting contest...   But certainly not in a spelling bee. no



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Those nets they couldn't get to on Saturday had some really good looking fish in them.Unfortunately, by the time they pulled the nets, the gills were white and they were no good for the harvest.

How do I know that, you say? We found some of them discarded in the rocks. If you look closely at the breakwater, on the very south rock you'll see two females laying on the rocks in the 24-26 range with their gills spread. Spoiled. What a waste........

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