Thanks Jon, for publishing this Joe Fellegy article and his research.

As a long time Mille Lacs Lake lakeshore owner, the spawn season gill netting is the most  offensive act against the lake and its ecosystem that one could ever imagine. It is poaching, waste and destruction on a level that no real fisherman can ever accept. I am very disappointed that Minnesota's elected leaders have not revisited this case and used an exedcutive order or court order to stop the netting -- especially by out of state  bands with no vested interest or tie to Mille Lacs.     

Where are the leaders on this one?

Season end? there is none. Season = Spawning walleyes = easy pickings.

I have seen an abondoned net one season with late ice out in Malmo Bay. We removed the damn net -- (one or two dead small northerns trapped in it) and put it in the trash so that no one got it in a prop coming to shore to dock. It is a real mess and a real nightmare every spring.

Almost breaks my heart.  NOT!

Good Point Sutty, What in the hell is the State waiting for? DUH.

Just got back from the Ceder Creek Access and the Fon Du Lac conservation trucks where there and they where out drill holes checking thickness. The Ice is tight to the shore there. I did a short video clip. You can see it in the video forum or on the entrance page.

do you think it is right to net spawning fish?

Sorry for the late ice, ma'am.

 

honestly is it right to net spring or fall?

not sure what you mean by goverment plates and goverment credit cards.. natives buy car tags if thats what you are referring to.. the goverment card part I dont understand...

as far as the netting things goes walleye king.. it is more a matter of the natives using there treaty rights.. to make sure they are not taken away..I myself am of cherokee heritage.. some of my relatives walked the trail of tears. over 1/4 of the natives that were forced to go on the march died.. and what for? because whites discovered gold where they were living... it is just a matter of natives want the goverment to stop breaking treaties... if the usa did that with any other country there would be hell to pay... but because it was done to native americans it is ok..? a treaty is a written aggreement signed by parties involved..

the dnr - state and tribal - decides how many fish can be taken each yr.. what it boils down to is they feel they need to take the allotted amount or the whites will say well you arent using your treaty rights anyways so forget it.. if it had just been given to them in the first place it would of been sooo much easier.. but you always have ppl thinking they own this or that... when in reality we dont own anything that has to do with mother earth or mother nature.. what most ppl dont realize is that the natives have a belief that you dont inherit the land or its resources from your grandparents.. you"borrow" them from your children.. for some reason ppl want to say the natives dont care.. but that is totally wrong..they want to use the resouces alloted to them in a wise manner.. most of the walleys taken are used for elder meals and for honor feasts.. these ppl that rant and rave about natives getting this or that bother me because the usa offers all kinds of benifits to ppl that come to the usa from other countries.. no taxes for 7 yrs.. easy access to education .. welfare if they need it.. the usa doesnt even look after its own ppl ... not that is has to do with this set of natives here in mille lacs county but do any of you realize there is a rez in south dahkota that the life expectancy is 45 yrs old! that is worse than some 3rd world countries.. there are still ppl on rez's in the usa that freeze to death every winter and going hungry for days.. thats a pretty sad statement on how things are done by the usa goverment for my part... i dont mean to get on a soap box but it is hard for me not to.. I think some of ppls complaints come from ignorance.. there is something called the american holocaust.. if you dont know what it is look it up on line.. this is what they are fighting for..they just want to be treated as ppl in there own right.. they work they have families and want to honor their heritage.. they are just now getting some of it back.. when they were sent to indian bording schools ( as late as the 60's) there heritage was stolen from them.. they werent allowed to practice there religion.. were not allowed to speak thier languages.. it was stolen from them... sorry for the rant... dont mean to go on and on but the native ppl are just wanting what is rightfully theirs

lol if you are calling me Linda well sir its not my name... also I don't drink and yeah I get resentful towards small minded people of any color.. I am native and white.. I didn 't say I did not say I had treaty rights here .. but my friends do... and I am well aware of where exactly my ancestors are from cherokee and otherwise... the only thing you got right in your small minded rant is the very end... the lady part.. thank you for your snide comments .... maybe you should study up on your history sir

yes as I stated earlier there are both bad whites and bad natives... Its just as disgusting when you have anyone poaching deer or bear or what have you... you are lumping all ppl of one race together and I find that racist..it would be akin to me saying all norwegians love luda fisk lol you cant lump all ppl together and you shouldnt judge a whole community by the disgraceful acts of a few..

hmm nothing wrong with it... lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EPrRCMoNsA

the reason millelacs county is poor BECAUSE THE NATIVES DONT PAY TAXES!

It comes down to what's right for the resource, not it's our Right. The DNR and Conservation talks out of both sides of their mouth if you ask me. Taking these fish at spawing and dragging nets thru the spawning grounds  cant be good.
Sport fishing stops at 10pm to help protect these fish for the first month of the season for a reason. Netting these fish when they are most valnurable is crazy and anyone who thinks it isn't hurting the lake needs to get the blinders off.
This wouldn't bother me near as much if the netting took place another time other than during the spawn.

Keep this conversation civil please. Keep it to your opinions. Name calling or racist comments will not be allowed.

Thank you,

Doug

Are the nets that have been used on Lake Superior treated or washed to help prevent the spead of VHS or Zebra Mussels?? It seems to me that Mille Lacs got Zebra Mussels about the same time it got a lot of gill nets from far away...

What we need is a bunch of retired guys to fill all the landings and bays every day till opener crappie fishing.

I grew up on Lake Mille Lacs. My family has been there for over 100 years. To me, its not about native or white. We are ALL United States Citizens. We all live, work, farm, fish, hunt, etc off the land we have. We all need to realize that we are not making any more land no matter who we are. We all have to cherish what is available to us and use it in a manner that is respectful to all. Cities expand, people move & people come here for the AMERICAN Dream.

My problem is not with the Mille Lacs Band or even some of the other Mn. bands using their so called "rights" to net fish on ML. My problem is with the Wi. and the Mi. Bands that come over and take advantage of Mn. resources. If the same Band members were to come over and gather resources lets say 200 yrs. ago,  would the ML band allow this? I would have to say no. So why do they let them come over now? Are the Mn. Bands allowed to go over to Wi. and spear? Are they allowed to go up to Kakagon slew or the Bad River and Net? It was these same Band members who dumped fish on the East side of the lake last year because they were heading back east and didn't want to spend the time and energy and gas to drive back over to the west side of the lake. If the ML band really cared about their rights and the resouces of the great body of water called Mille Lacs, then they would regulate their rights to net the lake and not let in any outside sources. Just my two cents!

                                                                                 Walleyebry NPAA #993 

I can only hope that they are full of Minnesota resident license plates and people scouting their opener hot spots between ice out and opener.

Every year people argue and argue and for what? Both sides get mad and the problem continues. How about a solution. Every year I propose my idea but I am going to start really pushing it. I'm not super educated and I don't understand all of the treaty so let me start with what I know

I appoligize ahead of time for spelling, my comp crashed so this is being done on my phone, and its hard to type on a phone.

I understand that the lake is netted for elderly and for social gatherings, which leaves me to assume many of the fish are frozen. That will play a role later

It is my understanding that netting is somewhat government funded

People argue weather netting in the spring or fall is better one way or another. I see both sides and half way agree with both sides, although for the record I think spring netting is worse - that's not what this is about tho. This is about NETTING altogether. And no one can tell me that netting doesn't harm the lake

Maybe some of u have a better idea of how many people fish "the dead sea" and how many people fish state wide. Just to start setting
some numbers I am going to say 4000 anglers regularly fish the lake and just for fun I would say 25% boycot the casino due to netting

Now onto the fun stuff- what if the casino built a fishery and stopped netting. Also beings that taking care of the land and giving back and being "green" is associated with the amercan indian how about if they stock the lake too. Here's how and why.

What if the casino built a row of single stall garages that r well lit, have power outlets and are long enough to fit a boat and pickup truck and charged say $100 dollars a night to safely secure your stuff while gambeling, eating, and staying at the casino.

$100 per night for storage
$100 per night for room
$30 per person per day for food
$50 gambeling money
Equals $570 per weekend for 2 people plus tack on tobacco and liquor sales if the casino sells that stuff
Ok now go 6 times per year - oh and just to keep the numbers reflecting new buisness that is generated by the 1000 anglers no longer boycotting the casino - they r looking at $3,420,000 added business per year!!!!!!!! Let's me repeat that 3.4 million dollars per year

Build a hatchery! The fish won't taste the same u say? Your right they won't. They will taste better because you are cooking them fresh rather then freezer burning them for up to a year.

Come on people. I get its your haritage. Ya know what, saying merry christmas is my heritage but I can no longer do that. At least look at this from a business stand point. You have the resources and the funding to do great things. Power it all with solar and wind power too. Think about how great the mille lacs band would look to the rest of the country. Set up a game room for sportsmen where a portion of each bet goes to funding the stocking of the lake. Have the big counter on the wall that represents fingerlings that will be released into the lake.

I mean seriously, I'm a maintenance guy, why isn't some big fancy exutive behind a desk thinking this stuff up? This isn't rocket science people.

I want everyone to respond to this.

Say if u go to the casino currently.
If u would start to if the lake wasn't netted
If u make a living at the lake
If you are "indian" or a "white man"
And tell me how you would change my plan

Thank you for your time

Tom S wrote:

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Or even a better cheaper plan. Build the garages and have a sportsmans room like I brought up earlier. Continue netting the lake and with portions of money from the garages and the game room buy fingerlings from the DNR to restock what u netted and the eggs that didn't get laid. Maybe then the slot limit would shrink, the daily limit might rise and the night ban can be dropped. Win win for everyone!!

Other ideas. On the reciepts for rooms and food have a section for people to donate to by fingerlings

Just ideas. And they r all win win ideas!

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 I have been going to Mille Lacs to fish year-round for years.  I don't gamble in the casino, and really, pretty much stay on the east side of the lake during my stays up there.

It's a nice idea...however, it looks like to me in your idea that the Native Americans would be fronting the cash and doing a lot of the work...with just a promise that we would patronize whatever they built, ran, etc.  Of course it's a win-win...because the netting would hypothetically stop and tourist/fishermen/etc. would hypothetically promise to spend money on the reservation. 

The Native Americans see no problems with the way things are now...heck, they may want more...who knows, and I have no idea on what their thoughts really are today. However, why would they agree to any of the compromise above?

A simple, but very difficult solution is to have everyone treated equally and not treat different races of people differently on various circumstances.

 

Tom S.---the netting is TOTALLY taxpayer funded. ALL expenses and wages etc. paid with federal funds. 100 percent! Even the trucks they use have U.S. Government plates on them!

No need to raise money to raise walleyes. They could simply take about $150,000 to buy the 30,000lbs. of fillets they net now. That's $150,000 out of 100 percent taxpayer funded 5 plus million dollar budget GLIFWC(the parent entity to Tribal Treaty harvest here) has annually. GLIFWC is 100 percent federally funded! Or a few hours of Casino income? The math is easy and the logic is easy. Unless, like them, you have the option to do it in a fashion that is in the taxpayers face.

I don't have time to get into another message board ordeal on this subject but had to throw that out there. It's simple! Unless you consider their attitude toward you, the angler and taxpayer. It's an in your face effort with no sound reasoning for it(netting) to take place except to show power --just because they can. If not, they would, simply, buy the fillets......

I am outta here now! LOL

Steve Fellegy
651-270-3383
sf1954@embarqmail.com

-- Edited by Steve Fellegy on Thursday 21st of April 2011 01:00:16 PM

I'll 2nd that. Thanks

to steve fellegy- just think how great this lake could be if all the money wasted on lawyers and court battles had been spent on the lake and its resourses . how many MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars in Mille lacs couty were wasted on a battle that was wrong from the get go...?

 

Native Lady-
In no way am I saying those culture were here prior to yours, or did I mention one word about being americanized. It wouldn't matter if you lived here, china, germany ect! but you missed the point, those cultures have historically been segregated, pushed into slums ect. They have experienced similar struggles, no struggle is the same as the next but have adapted. It doesn't matter if your a human, mammal, bird ect..you don't adapt to new environments you will perish. You ignored several other comments conveniently, why don't you comment on the one question I asked instead of going off topic.



-- Edited by johnny5 on Thursday 21st of April 2011 07:43:30 PM

ANYWAY............

Fact of the matter is, the home boys don't net much........

( Wisconsin groups do. )

Sorry about your identity crisis!

-- Edited by tat2jonnie on Thursday 21st of April 2011 07:50:40 PM

mn native lady,

I have nothing against native Americans. Everybody should be proud of who they are!

I don't think the nets are who you (or your friends) are. This is NOT how the Ojibwe caught fish when that treaty was signed and the treaty is being exploited.

And you're being lied to.......

 

http://millelacsband.com/Page_History.aspx

 

just another link if any of you are interested

okay, native lady,

THAT was NOT the TREATY.

THIS is the TREATY:

 

INDIAN AFFAIRS: LAWS AND TREATIES

Vol. II, Treaties    

Compiled and edited by Charles J. Kappler. Washington : Government Printing Office, 1904.

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TREATY WITH THE CHIPPEWA, 1854.

 

Sept. 30, 1854. | 10 Stats., 1109. | Ratified Jan. 10, 1855. | Proclaimed Jan. 29, 1855.

 

 

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Articles of a treaty made and concluded at La Pointe, in the State of Wisconsin, between Henry C. Gilbert and David B. Herriman, commissioners on the part of the United States, and the Chippewa Indians of Lake Superior and the Mississippi, by their chiefs and head-men.

ARTICLE 1.

The Chippewas of Lake Superior hereby cede to the United States all the lands heretofore owned by them in common with the Chippewas of the Mississippi, lying east of the following boundary-line, to wit: Beginning at a point, where the east branch of Snake River crosses the southern boundary-line of the Chippewa country, running thence up the said branch to its source, thence nearly north, in a straight line, to the mouth of East Savannah River, thence up the St. Louis River to the mouth of East Swan River, thence up the East Swan River to its source, thence in a straight line to the most westerly bend of Vermillion River, and thence down the Vermillion River to its mouth.
The Chippewas of the Mississippi hereby assent and agree to the foregoing cession, and consent that the whole amount of the consideration money for the country ceded above, shall be paid to the Chippewas of Lake Superior, and in consideration thereof the Chippewas of Lake Superior hereby relinquish to the Chippewas of the Mississippi, all their interest in and claim to the lands heretofore owned by them in common, lying west of the above boundry-line.

ARTICLE 2.

The United States agree to set apart and withhold from sale, for the use of the Chippewas of Lake Superior, the following-described tracts of land, viz:
1st. For the L'Anse and Vieux De Sert bands, all the unsold lands in the following townships in the State of Michigan: Township fifty-one north range thirty-three west; township fifty-one north range thirty-two west; the east half of township fifty north range thirty-three west; the west half of township fifty north range thirty-two west, and all of township fifty-one north range thirty-one west, lying west of Huron Bay.
2d. For the La Pointe band, and such other Indians as may see fit to settle with them, a tract of land bounded as follows: Beginning on the south shore of Lake Superior, a few miles west of Montreal River, at the mouth of a creek called by the Indians Ke-che-se-be-we-she, running thence south to a line drawn east and west through the centre of township forty-seven north, thence west to the west line of said township, thence south to the southeast corner of township forty-six north, range thirty-two west, thence west the width of two townships, thence north the width of two townships, thence west one mile, thence north to the lake shore, and thence along the lake shore, crossing Shag-waw-me-quon Point, to the place of beginning. Also two hundred acres on the northern extremity of Madeline Island, for a fishing ground.
3d. For the other Wisconsin bands, a tract of land lying about Lac De Flambeau, and another tract on Lac Court Orielles, each equal in extent to three townships, the boundaries of which shall be hereafter agreed upon or fixed under the direction of the President.
4th. For the Fond Du Lac bands, a tract of land bounded as follows: Beginning at an island in the St. Louis River, above Knife Portage, called by the Indians Paw-paw-sco-me-me-tig, running thence west to the boundary-line heretofore described, thence north along said boundary-line to the mouth of Savannah River, thence down the St. Louis River to the place of beginning. And if said tract shall contain

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less than one hundred thousand acres, a strip of land shall be added on the south side thereof, large enough to equal such deficiency.
5th. For the Grand Portage band, a tract of land bounded as follows: Beginning at a rock a little east of the eastern extremity of Grand Portage Bay, running thence along the lake shore to the mouth of a small stream called by the Indians Maw-ske-gwaw-caw-maw-se-be, or Cranberry Marsh River, thence up said stream, across the point to Pigeon River, thence down Pigeon River to a point opposite the starting-point, and thence across to the place of beginning.
6th. The Ontonagon band and that subdivision of the La Pointe band of which Buffalo is chief, may each select, on or near the lake shore, four sections of land, under the direction of the President, the boundaries of which shall be defined hereafter. And being desirous to provide for some of his connections who have rendered his people important services, it is agreed that the chief Buffalo may select one section of land, at such place in the ceded territory as he may see fit, which shall be reserved for that purpose, and conveyed by the United States to such person or persons as he may direct.
7th. Each head of a family, or single person over twenty-one years of age at the present time of the mixed bloods, belonging to the Chippewas of Lake Superior, shall be entitled to eighty acres of land, to be selected by them under the direction of the President, and which shall be secured to them by patent in the usual form.

ARTICLE 3.

The United States will define the boundaries of the reserved tracts, whenever it may be necessary, by actual survey, and the President may, from time to time, at his discretion, cause the whole to be surveyed, and may assign to each head of a family or single person over twenty-one years of age, eighty acres of land for his or their separate use; and he may, at his discretion, as fast as the occupants become capable of transacting their own affairs, issue patents therefor to such occupants, with such restrictions of the power of alienation as he may see fit to impose. And he may also, at his discretion, make rules and regulations, respecting the disposition of the lands in case of the death of the head of a family, or single person occupying the same, or in case of its abandonment by them. And he may also assign other lands in exchange for mineral lands, if any such are found in the tracts herein set apart. And he may also make such changes in the boundaries of such reserved tracts or otherwise, as shall be necessary to prevent interference with any vested rights. All necessary roads, highways, and railroads, the lines of which may run through any of the reserved tracts, shall have the right of way through the same, compensation being made therefor as in other cases.

ARTICLE 4.

In consideration of and payment for the country hereby ceded, the United States agree to pay to the Chippewas of Lake Superior, annually, for the term of twenty years, the following sums, to wit: five thousand dollars in coin; eight thousand dollars in goods, household furniture and cooking utensils; three thousand dollars in agricultural implements and cattle, carpenter's and other tools and building materials, and three thousand dollars for moral and educational purposes, of which last sum, three hundred dollars per annum shall be paid to the Grand Portage band, to enable them to maintain a school at their village. The United States will also pay the further sum of ninety thousand dollars, as the chiefs in open council may direct, to enable them to meet their present just engagements. Also the further sum of six thousand dollars, in agricultural implements, household furniture, and cooking utensils, to be distributed at the next annuity payment, among the mixed bloods of said nation. The United States will also furnish two hundred guns, one hundred rifles, five hundred beaver-traps, three hundred dollars' worth of ammunition,

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and one thousand dollars' worth of ready-made clothing, to be distributed among the young men of the nation, at the next annuity payment.

ARTICLE 5.

The United States will also furnish a blacksmith and assistant, with the usual amount of stock, during the continuance of the annuity payments, and as much longer as the President may think proper, at each of the points herein set apart for the residence of the Indians, the same to be in lieu of all the employees to which the Chippewas of Lake Superior may be entitled under previous existing treaties.

ARTICLE 6.

The annuities of the Indians shall not be taken to pay the debts of individuals, but satisfaction for depredations committed by them shall be made by them in such manner as the President may direct.

ARTICLE 7.

No spirituous liquors shall be made, sold, or used on any of the lands herein set apart for the residence of the Indians, and the sale of the same shall be prohibited in the Territory hereby ceded, until otherwise ordered by the President.

ARTICLE 8.

It is agreed, between the Chippewas of Lake Superior and the Chippewas of the Mississippi, that the former shall be entitled to two-thirds, and the latter to one-third, of all benefits to be derived from former treaties existing prior to the year 1847.

ARTICLE 9.

The United States agree that an examination shall be made, and all sums that may be found equitably due to the Indians, for arrearages of annuity or other thing, under the provisions of former treaties, shall be paid as the chiefs may direct.

ARTICLE 10.

All missionaries, and teachers, and other persons of full age, residing in the territory hereby ceded, or upon any of the reservations hereby made by authority of law, shall be allowed to enter the land occupied by them at the minimum price whenever the surveys shall be completed to the amount of one quarter-section each.

ARTICLE 11.

All annuity payments to the Chippewas of Lake Superior, shall hereafter be made at L'Anse, La Pointe, Grand Portage, and on the St. Louis River; and the Indians shall not be required to remove from the homes hereby set apart for them. And such of them as reside in the territory hereby ceded, shall have the right to hunt and fish therein, until otherwise ordered by the President.

ARTICLE 12.

In consideration of the poverty of the Bois Forte Indians who are parties to this treaty, they having never received any annuity payments, and of the great extent of that part of the ceded country owned exclusively by them, the following additional stipulations are made for their benefit. The United States will pay the sum of ten thousand dollars, as their chiefs in open council may direct, to enable them to meet their present just engagements. Also the further sum of ten thousand dollars, in five equal annual payments, in blankets, cloth, nets, guns, ammunitions, and such other articles of necessity as they may require.
They shall have the right to select their reservation at any time hereafter, under the direction of the President; and the same may be equal in extent, in proportion to their numbers, to those allowed the other bands, and be subject to the same provisions.
They shall be allowed a blacksmith, and the usual smithshop supplies, and also two persons to instruct them in farming, whenever in the opinion of the President it shall be proper, and for such length of time as he shall direct.
It is understood that all Indians who are parties to this treaty, except the Chippewas of the Mississippi, shall hereafter be known as the Chippewas of Lake Superior. Provided, That the stipulation by which the Chippewas of Lake Superior relinquishing their right to land west

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of the boundary-line shall not apply to the Bois Forte band who are parties to this treaty.

ARTICLE 13.

This treaty shall be obligatory on the contracting parties, as soon as the same shall be ratified by the President and Senate of the United States.

In testimony whereof, the said Henry C. Gilbert, and the said David B. Herriman, commissioners as aforesaid, and the undersigned chiefs and headmen of the Chippewas of Lake Superior and the Mississippi, have hereunto set their hands and seals, at the place aforesaid, this thirtieth day of September, one thousand eight hundred and fifty-four.

Henry C. Gilbert,

David B. Herriman,

Commissioners.

Richard M. Smith, Secretary.

    La Pointe Band:

Ke-che-waish-ke, or the Buffalo, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Chay-che-que-oh, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

A-daw-we-ge-zhick, or Each Side of the sky, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

O-ske-naw-way, or the Youth, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Maw-caw-day-pe-nay-se, or the Black Bird, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Naw-waw-naw-quot, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ke-wain-zeence, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Waw-baw-ne-me-ke, or the White Thunder, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Pay-baw-me-say, or the Soarer, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Naw-waw-ge-waw-nose, or the Little Current, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Maw-caw-day-waw-quot, or the Black Cloud, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Me-she-naw-way, or the Disciple, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Key-me-waw-naw-um, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

She-gog headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    Ontonagon Band:

O-cun-de-cun, or the Buoy 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Waw-say-ge-zhick, or the Clear Sky, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Keesh-ke-taw-wug, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    L'Anse Band:

David King, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

John Southwind, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Peter Marksman, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Naw-taw-me-ge-zhick, or the First Sky, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Aw-se-neece, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    Vieux De Sert Band:

May-dway-aw-she, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Posh-quay-gin, or the Leather, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

    Grand Portage Band:

Shaw-gaw-naw-sheence, or the Little Englishman, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

May-mosh-caw-wosh, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Aw-de-konse, or the Little Reindeer, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Way-we-ge-wam, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    Fond Du Lac Band:

Shing-goope, or the Balsom, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Mawn-go-sit, or the Loon's Foot, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

May-quaw-me-we-ge-zhick, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Keesh-kawk, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Caw-taw-waw-be-day, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

O-saw-gee, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ke-che-aw-ke-wain-ze, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Naw-gaw-nub, or the Foremost Sitter, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ain-ne-maw-sung, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Naw-aw-bun-way, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Wain-ge-maw-tub, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Aw-ke-wain-zeence, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Shay-way-be-nay-se, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Paw-pe-oh, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    Lac Court Oreille Band:

Aw-ke-wain-ze, or the Old Man, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Key-no-zhance, or the Little Jack Fish, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Key-che-pe-nay-se, or the Big Bird, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ke-che-waw-be-shay-she, or the Big Martin, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Waw-be-shay-sheence, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Quay-quay-cub, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Shaw-waw-no-me-tay, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Nay-naw-ong-gay-be, or the Dressing Bird, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

O-zhaw-waw-sco-ge-zhick, or the Blue Sky, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

I-yaw-banse, or the Little Buck, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

 

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Ke-che-e-nin-ne, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Haw-daw-gaw-me, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Way-me-te-go-she, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Pay-me-ge-wung, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    Lac Du Flambeau Band:

Aw-mo-se, or the Wasp, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ke-nish-te-no, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Me-gee-see, or the Eagle, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Kay-kay-co-gwaw-nay-aw-she, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

O-che-chog, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Nay-she-kay-gwaw-nay-be, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

O-scaw-bay-wis, or the Waiter, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Que-we-zance, or the White Fish, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ne-gig, or the Otter, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Nay-waw-che-ge-ghick-may-be, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Quay-quay-ke-cah, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    Bois Forte Band:

Kay-baish-caw-daw-way, or Clear Round the Prairie, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Way-zaw-we-ge-zhick-way-sking, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

O-saw-we-pe-nay-she, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

    The Mississippi Bands:

Que-we-san-se, or Hole in the Day, head chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Caw-nawn-daw-waw-win-zo, or the Berry Hunter, 1st chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Waw-bow-jieg, or the White Fisher, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ot-taw-waw, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Que-we-zhan-cis, or the Bad Boy, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Bye-a-jick, or the Lone Man, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

I-yaw-shaw-way-ge-zhick, or the Crossing Sky, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Maw-caw-day, or the Bear's Heart, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Ke-way-de-no-go-nay-be, or the Northern Feather, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

Me-squaw-dace, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Naw-gaw-ne-gaw-bo, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Wawm-be-de-yea, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Waish-key, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

Caw-way-caw-me-ge-skung, headman, his x mark. [L. S.]

My-yaw-ge-way-we-dunk, or the One who carries the Voice, 2d chief, his x mark. [L. S.]

John F. Godfroy, Interpreters.

Geo. Johnston, Interpreters.

S. A. Marvin, Interpreters.

Louis Codot, Interpreters.

Paul H. Beaulieu, Interpreters.

Henry Blatchford, Interpreters.

Peter Floy, Interpreters.

Executed in the presence of—

Henry M. Rice,

J. W. Lynde,

G. D. Williams,

B. H. Connor,

E. W. Muldough,

Richard Godfroy,

D. S. Cash,

H. H. McCullough,

E. Smith Lee,

Wm. E. Vantassel,

L. H. Wheeler.

Mn native lady and others who have posted on this thread, I appreciate reading both sides of the discussion so thank you for posting.

For me this has nothing to do with race.  It all boils down to one group have unequal rights over another.

found this on the web and it made me smile.. kind of sounds like this situation...


Laws Of The Toddler Joke
1. If I like it, it's mine.
2. If it's in my hand, it's mine.
3. If I can take it from you, it's mine.
4. If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.
5. If it's mine, it must never appear to be yours in any way.
6. If I'm doing or building something, all the pieces are mine.
7. If it looks just like mine, it's mine.
8. If I think it's mine, it's mine.

This applies to many grown-ups too!

what it boils down to is tribal soverienity.. .http://www.airpi.org/pubs/indinsov.html that is just one link among many to be found on line.. people talk about unequal rights.. when in fact it was never meant to be equal rights .. the tribes have retained soverien rights.. meaning they have other and different rights ...

Fond du Lac Band of Lake Superior

http://www.fdlrez.com/springspearing.htm

Was thinking a few days that the quota could be more difficult to reach with the time left for the spawn valnurbility due to the late ice. But once they get at it they have now approved that throwing more nets at'em is the solution to that. Lots of wiggle room in these rules.

 

If things are done that most on here want to happen. Jobs WILL come back to the great area of Mille Lacs. That is a VERY key point. No More Nets...
It is not that hard to understand. Mille Lacs County - Onamia area are not in the best of shape. Could the Casino- No taxes paid? Be a big part of this? Look back in history- this area was Booming years ago...

Tom- if you read up there is someone saying they still catch plenty of fish from Mille Lacs .. I have lots of white friends that fish this lake and always get what they go after.. Part of the reason ppl don't want to come to this area is because of this every yr.. ppl on tv and you tube and in the papers scareing ppl away .. telling them it is a dead sea.. its called bad publicity.. bad p.r. when in fact the average family that wants to come enjoy a day at Mille Lacs will find plenty of fish ..
as far as article #7 goes.. you refer to the drinking and addiction problems around here or at least I was.. that is a area problem not just a rez problem.. unfortunately alcoholism and addition knows no boundries. not racial or land.. it is an area problem..

Steve- sorry I did read about you and you do live on the lake

Russ- the casino employs alot of local ppl not just natives.. ... and as far as not paying taxes the ppl that work there do.. my son worked there part time last year and paid in over $500 in state tax alone.. years ago this was a booming area? most resorts were family operated... wich in itself was a small portion of the local population.. this was a farming . and logging community yrs ago.... how has netting affected that? I grew up in this area and I recall most kids couldnt wait to leave..ppl left to work elsewhere..even back in the boom days as you refer to them.

also as I stated before the casino does contribute to local charities.. capitolize on other bussiness ideas? the band owns lots of bussiness that they have started .. grocery store, subway, gas station, theater etc... the band employs alot of the ppl from this area..take a walk thru and dont spend your money ... just look at the ppl working there.. most are probably not band memebers..
Also the casino is just like the tv.. you have a shut off knob on the tv.. so you can choose to watch it or no. same with the casino.. ppl dont have to go there..its their choise.

Lady--your words--"also as I stated before the casino does contribute to local charities.. capitolize on other bussiness ideas? the band owns lots of bussiness that they have started .. grocery store, subway, gas station, theater etc... the band employs alot of the ppl from this area.."

Has the cost to Mille Lacs county agencies of sorts gone up on a faster pace since the Casino was built or gone down--that can be traced to the reservation?

Do YOU know where or who's dollars are being used to contribute to local charities? Do YOU know who pays the wages for ALL Tribal Government  employees? WHO paid for ALL of the homes on the Reservation? WHO paid for the Sewage Treatment system the west side of the lake uses now? What is the FACTUAL origin of most of the dollars that are spent on the reservation (and off reservation for Tribal members) ? Don't bet on that money being Casino $$.

ALL of that and "subsistance fishing" has to be in place? LOL Anything but "thank you " is a shameful and disgraceful answer by ANY Band member!

 Talk the facts Lady or quit talking.

-- Edited by Steve Fellegy on Friday 22nd of April 2011 01:37:05 PM

Wonderfully worded.  Thanks again Steve for your valued and experienced input on this topic.

Lot's of good reading and ranting !!! LOL... For me it boils down to... if I don't want to be treated differently, then don't treat me differently...... the Treaty just makes us different and there in lies the problem. The only person that can truely hold you down, is yourself. We haven't been at war with the natives for decades... or have we ???

I think I'm going to be equal this year!

(Anybody know where I can get 5 gill nets real quick?)

After all, I do belong to the Fukowi tribe. (not sure which nation I'm from, but I just KNOW that the white-eyes been screwin' me. Called me names in school and stuff.)

I can print out a green card, get some tupperware to put all my fish in.......

Yeah, and I can bring the filets to my grandpa's retirement home and throw all the guts in somebody's field on my way back to Runamuck, Wisconsin .

One of the best threads I have read in a long time! Steve and tat2jonnie I love the facts. The facts don't lie! I'm sure glad the two of you are on our side.

I agree the netting has to stop. There have been several great solutions, mentioned in this thread, to ponder. I think if our gov't would just grow a pair already and start talking about this situation, a solution could be hatched some how. But instead they just refuse to be a participant. Steve is definately on the right track by staying in there face. If somebody can make a change, I believe it will be Mr Fellegy.

That being said...I don't think FORCING anybody to do anything will work, short term or long. It starts with negotiations...negotiation just has START!

Netting has been a thorn in my side since I was old enough to understand. We just need to work together.

I think if Steve, tat2jonnie and Tom S. went and met with the elders, they could probably get this done by themselves!

Thanks guys!!

honest question for you Glen- if I was to walk into your house... I have never been there before....does that mean I discovered it and therefore make it mine.... Columbus didnt discover anything... we have been here for centuries...


That's just it.... Native Americans(many tribes) & Germans/Irish/Italians/Norwegians/Spanish & Africans have been here for centuries, some more than others, but at what point should everybody be equal ? According to the constitution, all are created equal, there is no time frame. I realize some do not recognize the constitution, I know you are mixed race, so I don't know if you do or not, but I think it's time to assimilate and treat everybody equal... don't punish me for things that happened hundreds of years ago & I in return, have no reason to harbor ill thoughts toward someone. If you want division, provide division... that to me is a treaty. I agree, too many times we lump a whole group or race together.... which is wrong... this is exactly what the treaties accomplish.

As far as Columbus is concerned, his boat navigation skills do impress me, but like you say, it's hardly a discovery. This whole earth went through exactly what North America did.... people are a mobile creature and it is a natural instinct, to see what's over the next hill or across the water. I really think any of the Tribal Chiefs/Members would agree, the treaties were not set-up, so a blond Indian from Wisconsin, can load up his 21 foot Crestliner with nets, drive a couple hundred miles, net a couple thousand pounds of Walleye and return back to Wisconsin after a week or 2..... back in the day, he would be risking his life and locks doing that....

-- Edited by Glen Ertl on Saturday 23rd of April 2011 06:59:53 AM

mn native lady wrote:

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if I was to walk into your house... I have never been there before....does that mean I discovered it and therefore make it mine....  

 Interesting question, but don't you think you should ask this of the Lakota tribe? After all, they where the ones who where living in this area, and where forced out by the ojibwe. Many may know the Lakotas better as the "Sioux".

The term Sioux is itself derived from a derogitory Ojibwe term, nadouessioux , which means “little snakes” or “enemies.”  

Interesting huh.?.?

Nice deflection,,,,,,,,guess that's all you can do when your blatant hypocrisy is exposed.......................

when you take things out of context they don't deserve an answer... the Ojibwe never claimed to discover this area.. my remark was talking about Christopher Columbus claiming to discover america... you don't even live up here and yet you feel the need to stir things up.. that is just the kind of thing we dont need up here.. blatent hypocrisy? wow... ok if you say so...

Oh and Jon- I never make the mistake of underestimating my opponents..lmao ... I am a single mom who has managed to raise 3 kids..who all got straight A's , all have jobs, One is a Marine.. and are all great young people.. I had to fight to do it sometime.. but I did it.. beat the system that said my kids would never ammount to anything because of who they were or where they come from..   and I have an IQ of 140... smarter than your average bear soooo noooo I don't make the mistake of underestimation... actually been rather fun trying to get someone to actually listen.. I know most don't.. most don't bother to look at the links I posted that would give some insight into the Native side of it... but anyways........

 

mn native lady, according to patrick schmalz from the dnr, the tribal allocation of 142,000 pounds will be harvested from MOSTLY the spawning stock in mille lacs. this information was included in his response to me regarding a question i asked about why the natives are allowed to net in spawning areas while state anglers aren't.

the question I still have is, if the natives that are netting are claiming to be stuards of the land and care about this resource, then why not protect it for future generations and save the tradition by milking these walleyes and putting the eggs back into the lake?

that would add 5 jobs per landing site no to mention the incredible impact it would have on the fish population.  they (MN DNR / GLIFW)could build and sustain one hell of a hatchery and employee even more people.

The fact seems to be obvious they don't really care.... get the fish pounds allotted and run.

Wish they would look into this more. seems to be a place we could all agree on as a fix to several issues that are sore spots.  

Mr Fellegy, or anyone else that might have knowledge about this............

is this even possible?