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I know I am an outsider looking in,I have fished the Bemidji area for many years and love MN enough that my soul calls it home,hope you understand that,(it happens when you are an Iowa farm boy who saw his first MN sunset at age twenty one in 1984)and never caught anything beyond bluegills,bass, and crappies here. all of MN means something to me,and here,for what its worth,are my thoughts on your problem,please understand, I dont know if Mille lacs is totally public,or native owned in part,so here goes, can you buy out the DNR's interest in the walleye stocking,and relieve them of there responsibility for said species?I understand that you will have to raise your prices somewhat to cover the cost of the stocking,lets say twenty dollars a week per cabin/customer,no big deal,I wouldnt let four dollar gas cost me a week of vacation there in Bemidji,and noting that all the cabins were still full those years,it was an equal thought across the board,my point is this,if you can do this,you now have a vested interest in the walleye population as a whole,now you can claim ownership,which by rights,lets you set the rules for  who and when the walleye can be harvested,got it? if your government can legally set limits when they own something,can you buy that ownership back and set the limits your self?? I know this is a huge undertaking,but with all of the grief that is going on with it,who knows,maybe,just maybe,they would be happy to get out from underneath it,plus,if they can make up their own rules,make up your own,turn about is fair play,if this wont work,you are now committed to fighting this to the end(when ever that is who knows?) or you have to become the perch capital of the world,sorry,ND has this title,so whats next? maybe storm the capital and take your state back? sorry folks,this is the only idea that I can come up with for the moment,but I am trying with the rest of you. Iowa boyconfuse



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Thank you for your comments and concern! first of all Mille Lacs Lake does not have any walleye stocking done. Never has....per our Mn DNR, Mille Lacs produces more spawning mass than any body of water. Yet here we are lowest numbers of adult fish in its history??

 

Ok so..now what?confuse



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I'm sure the DNR here in Minnesota would like nothing better than to get off the hook for claiming responsibility for ruining the greatest inland walleye fishery in the world. 

God knows they've tried to blame everything on earth for the current walleye population being at an all-time low; zebra mussels, global warming, too many smallmouth bass...............................

Fact is, we can't make any changes in the way Mille Lacs is managed as anglers and property/business owners. Hell, they don't even listen to us when we're offering solutions! We've been trying to tell them for 15 years how netting during the spawning season and fishing slots that target entire year classes of fish would eventually decimate the walleye population.

http://www.perm.org/pdfs/TreatyManagement.pdf

They STILL can't figure it out, and refuse to recognize that tribal netting during the spawning season, (the ONLY lake in the U.S. that is) and managing the lake for trophy fish (With slots targeting the lake's male population) is the real reason for the walleye shortage here on Mille Lacs Lake.

While your suggestions show that you are trying to find an intelligent solution to our dilemma, nothing we've tried along any of those lines has worked.

Intelligence won't work on dummies............................................................

 



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fishnpole you are right,when it comes to a battle of wits,it is hard to go up against and unarmed man. Bobber's last note was so now what? I had wrote him some thoughts I had on invasives,bet he is still scratching his head on those! and maybe I confirmed myself as certifiable to him,so now its time to get down and dirty,spawning grounds need more structure right?? and those waters are shallow? Germany put a lot of (barriers) in the waters to prevent our landing on the beaches of Normandy and other places,those (barriers) could rip the hulls apart of any known armored ship of that time,wonder what those would do to fiberglass/aluminum/wooden hulls of the sport boats of today and the nets drug behind them??? I just bet that any fish that spawn in those waters would love the new habitat!!! then of course someone would cry foul for the pollution that this would cause,sigh,seriously folks,its time to take it to the supreme court,well crap,this costs money,so can someone make a button or sticker for five bucks that says WARRIORS FOR WALLEYE OF MILLE LACS ?? Ill take ten to start the ball rolling.

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This is the problem with Mille Lacs Lake and is the ONLY reason it is netted during the spawning season. They planned to ruin the walleye fishing so everyone who owns land would be forced to sell:

The Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe's tribal chief, Melanie Benjamin wrote in her March statement to the tribe:

http://millelacsband.com/profile/chief-executive/

"On March 20, the Band will celebrate Treaty Day, when the Supreme Court affirmed the Band’s rights under our 1837 Treaty. It is with some irony that I need to report about a difficult issue we are now having with the State of Minnesota. For the past few years, state officials have on occasion taken the position that the reservation boundary of the Band no longer exists. On February 24, I plan to get a resolution through the Tribal Executive Committee of the Minnesota Chippewa Tribe. The resolution will address recent statements made by Solicitor General Alan Gilbert, of the State Attorney General, in writing to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which not only threaten the existence of the Mille Lacs Reservation, but could also be viewed as threatening the reservations of several of the Bands of the Minnesota Chippewa Tribe. Mr. Gilbert implied that the intention of the Nelson Act of 1889 was to have only two Chippewa reservations in Minnesota, Red Lake and White Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4EWzfpPQN4

We are very concerned about this matter, and Speaker Beaulieu and I have talked with Governor Dayton directly about this. On February 24, the TEC will hopefully pass a resolution supporting the existence of all the Minnesota Chippewa Tribe reservations, and noting that case law has stated that the Nelson Act had no impact on the boundaries of Chippewa Reservations.  We also plan on getting a similar resolution through the Minnesota Indian Affairs Council in early March."

http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/mille-lacs-band-of-ojibwe/59e6439aeec442b1b60501c9212c3275?cycle=-1

This is the reservation land in question. You will notice it covers the entire south end of the lake and is owned by resort owners and other businesses:





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thanks for the info fishnpole,at the beginning of video,the racism card was pulled,about punched my laptop,I also listened to how they are the best at conservation,we will see when the lake is dead wont we?? my dad once said,they are going to take America back one nickel at a time,and boy was he right!! I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would listen to such money influenced jibberish,unless that money is being put into you know who's pocket.
the celebration of treaty day? lets call it,lets destroy everything and every ones investment day.
the biggest thing I see wrong now that my eyes are open? the treaty should have had a life span of two generations,talk about the devil being in the details!!! I wasn't offended by being called an invasive,I was offended that there was no mention of working out a resolution that would work for all of us without killing a very important part of every ones lively hood,(meaning walleye fishing) a great line from the movie Forrest Gump fits well here,(stupid is as stupid does) I am flabbergasted,I dont know what else to think, maybe sell out to the highest bidder and bid Mille Lacs farewell?
Gosh folks,I sure am sorry for what you are facing,my thoughts are with you. the only hope I see is election time.
sigh, Iowa boy, p.s. glad I did not go to their science class,we would have starved to death years ago

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Here is the heart of the problem!!

 

Lobbying on Behalf of Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe



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Lobbying on Behalf of Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe

LOBBYING

$4,310,000 SPENT



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GOOD GRIEF!!!! it makes me wonder if the head cheese at the white house in DC is helping out here,the reason I say this is it looks to me like an identical agenda,apologize to other countries for kicking their ass for drawing first blood,give everything back to those from whom we took over etc. I am fully aware of the travesty of the Indian wars of so long ago,we killed more of them than hitler killed Jews,but come on,that was generations ago and I was ignorantly of the belief that with the millions of dollars that we have paid them since those days,and the things we provided would of eased some of the pain,trust me when I say I understand wanting something that you believe is yours.
how ever,if they want to live out their tradition,give them a canoe and a six foot net,no high horsepower boats,or hundred foot nets,and if they want to harvest during the spawn,which by the way is all out BS,let them do it with it a cane pole and bone hook,just like the good ole days! one thing I still cant wrap my head around is this,in the video,he talked about (sound science) that proves taking during the spawn does not affect the population????????????, what the blazes is in those peace pipes? I grew up on a small farm here,folks,if you aint got no ewes,heifers,cows,gilts/sows,or any other female animal,you aint gonna have no babies,plain and simple,or at least I thought it was,gosh,were we doing it wrong all those years? if you can raise any thing without a mother,shoot,that cuts down on the feed bill,the vet bill,etc. sure would raise the profit when I sell the imaginary yearlings when they reach market weight!!!wonder if I could cash the imaginary check from the sale barn??
seriously, this is plain and simply a ruse to bankrupt those with a title of ownership of any property near their land so that they can take it back,and maybe? sell it for profit,or secede from the state and declare their own country?
cant wait to learn some more,thanks to everyone for the info that has been posted,I will be making a donation to your cause shortly,hope it helps,dont laugh at the amount,I will have to do with out my favorite toddies this weekend,but its for a great cause!!


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